I have nothing against vegans, by the way...

topic posted Thu, March 10, 2005 - 3:16 PM by  mella
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...it just really wasn't working for me. After going through an it's-ok-to-eat-animal-if-it's-just going-in-the-trash-anyway phase (beware those who dine around me! i'd eat anything off your plate), I started sneaking eggs when I felt run down, then, well, maybe a little sushi here & there... now I'm buying wild game and eating it rare. It just snuck up on me. I'm still unsure of how it's fitting into my life or values.

And I don't personally know any other vegans who've turned back to meat. So hello :)

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mella
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    Thu, March 10, 2005 - 3:27 PM
    i'm not one, but i know a bunch, so you're surely not alone. i'd make them join tribe, but that's just mean, i might as well hand them a vial of crack while i'm at it.

    their reasons all run the gamut...ethics, health, convenience, budgeting...

    have fun with it! wild ride, indeed...
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    Thu, March 10, 2005 - 3:31 PM
    Hiya.

    I was never vegan, and even vegetarian would be a stretch, I did eat seafood now and then, but I went through that phase for several years and at some point pork (esp. in Chinese and Vietnamese cuisine) and chicken snuck back in. I'm still not much of a beef eater, but am given to the occasional bowl of pho.

    I actually find that I tend to feel better and have lost some weight going back to eating meat.
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      Thu, March 10, 2005 - 3:36 PM
      Also, in recent years I've been more into eating some of the less-savory (to many Westerners) parts of animals. Chicken feet, cod sperm, fish heads, coagulated pork blood, shrimp shells, tripe, etc. Some I love (cod sperm) some I'm so-so on (tripe) but I do have a lot of respect for cultures that don't let anything go to waste, and that sentiment has sort of worked itself in there with my current gastronomic outlook on life.
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        Thu, March 10, 2005 - 3:44 PM
        that's pretty cool.

        it does irk me when people can't handle knowing that the meat on their plate comes from a real animal that had real organs, just like them. you should really be able to handle that kind of information if you're going to consume meat.
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          Thu, March 10, 2005 - 4:36 PM
          "it does irk me when people can't handle knowing that the meat on their plate comes from a real animal that had real organs, just like them. you should really be able to handle that kind of information if you're going to consume meat."

          Exactly. I'm disgusted at how as Westerners we've become so disconnected from the reality and the impact of the things we do, so accustomed to our carnage coming in little individually wrapped packages.

          If you're going to eat meat, understand it, respect it, relish it, but never kid yourself that it wasn't alive at one point.

          As an aside, many cultures hold that one of the best parts of the fish is the cheek meat, and I'm inclined to agree. In Singapore one of the indigenous dishes is Fish Head Curry, a cultural melting pot of a stew with Indian, Malay and Chinese influences all folded in, made with what the British and Dutch considered to be worthless garbage pieces of fish. Their loss.

          Some people also like the eyes. I didn't really get into that when I was living there, but to each his own.

          Then again, I love tempura-fried shrimp heads. Go figure.
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        Thu, March 10, 2005 - 3:46 PM
        COD SPERM??

        I take it you are serious - so is it like a macho equivalent of caviar, or what?...

        BTW, do not think I am being judgmental or squeamish in any way - I mean, eating chicken eggs would probably seem gross if we all weren't so accustomed to it...
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          Thu, March 10, 2005 - 4:50 PM
          "COD SPERM?? I take it you are serious - so is it like a macho equivalent of caviar, or what?..."

          Yep, totally serious. I think it's primarily a Japanese thing. The yang to caviar's yin. Though I sort of thought of it less as a macho thing, and more of having a slightly homoerotic edge to it. I'm straight but I still love flaunting the 'freak out factor' around the squeamish to get a rise out them. (that said, I'd still eat the stuff anyway even if no one around me thought twice about it)

          You can get the whole sacs roasted, stewed or prepared other ways, or seasoned with chili, which is great in a rice ball (onigiri), my fave snack. Buying those things at convenience stores kept me alive when I was living in Japan. Good source of protien.

          Hell, they keep me alive now. Had 2 and a bottle of green tea for lunch a few days ago.
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      Thu, March 10, 2005 - 3:51 PM
      please note that i'm not vegan either, nor am i strictly veggie.

      there are definite times in my cycle when i WILL go insane unless i consume animal products.

      i feel shitty about it because of the various ethical problems i have with the meat industry, in addition to the fact that i really do feel like i should be able to get all my nutrients from non-meat sources, but i'll be damned if anything's worked for me yet.

      in fact, i'm trying to stave it off literally as i type, but i just keep getting hungrier and hungrier...sigh.
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    Thu, March 10, 2005 - 5:35 PM
    I was a vegetarian for five years, then a vegan for the sixth until one day i craved a big bloody steak, and i decided to let myself have it.

    Basically I think I'm programmed by nature to eat meat. Things are killed in nature for selfish reasons, and I'm okay wtih that. I do make sure to buy meat from animals that were treated well: nieman ranch, etc.

    mmm, now i'm hungry.
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    Fri, March 11, 2005 - 10:18 AM
    I was a vegetarian for 9 years...of the lacto-ovo-occasional pesco variety. I took a trip to Bali, and while I was there, the people I stayed with had a suckling pig ceremony in my honor. At one point they brought a part wrapped in a banana leaf. I ate it, and asked my friend afterwards what is was, she said it was the heart. After that, I was no longer a vegetarian. It would have been disrespectful to refuse. These people didn't have very much and they were sharing with me what they had, and I greatly appreciated it. Besides, I'm a southern girl and it's hard to resist a good barbecue. I never looked back.
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      Fri, March 11, 2005 - 10:55 AM
      Jennalex...I like your Bali story. I'm Native American and it's basically a sin to refuse food at my relatives' houses! I just stayed away while I was vegan....
      I was veggie and then vegan for 10 years and became totally run down, exhausted, and anemic. Over the past 3 years there have been times I've eaten meat three or four times a day!

      I hate the way animals are treated before they are killed but we can buy organic/kosher/hunt/etc.

      In Native American way animals are respected as fellow spirits and we thank them for giving up their lives so we can live. That sounds totally hokey as I write it but I think if more people thought that way the animals would get treated better before they were killed.
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        Fri, March 11, 2005 - 12:17 PM
        I've always appreciated the Native American philosophy on eating animals. I try to thank the animals when I eat them, too. I don't think it's hokey, we take far too much for granted in western culture, and show very little respect.

        My father is a hunter so I ate lots of wild game as a kid. When I gave up meat it was a little hard for him to understand, but he was respectful about it.

        I also found that being a total vegetarian was not good for my health. I had a lot of allergy problems, and they have significantly diminished since I started eating meat again (it also helped that I moved out of my moldy old apartment).
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    Fri, March 11, 2005 - 11:13 AM
    I have a vegetarian friend who recently decided he was OK with red meat so long as it was game he had hunted himself. Quite a reversal at first glance, but then again, he's found a way to eat meat without supporting the "animal misery industry".

    I was vegetarian (never terribly strict, I suppose) for a few years while I lived back east, but once I moved to SF and sampled some sushi, I started eating fish ... mussels, oysters, scallops ... then lamb, beef ... eventually chicken (filthy critters) and now my favorite is pork.

    Somehow I got it in my head that whoever eats the greatest number of different kinds of animals (and doesn't get a fatal brain-wasting disease), wins!
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      Fri, March 11, 2005 - 1:05 PM
      "I was vegetarian (never terribly strict, I suppose) for a few years while I lived back east, but once I moved to SF and sampled some sushi, I started eating fish ... mussels, oysters, scallops ... then lamb, beef ... eventually chicken (filthy critters) and now my favorite is pork."

      Ha ha... It's a slippery slope, isn't it?...

      (Marijuana > mushrooms > LSD > cocaine > crystal > crack & heroin!...
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        Fri, March 11, 2005 - 5:28 PM
        exactly now i smoke crack, and nosh on the neighbor's kitty. oops!
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          Fri, March 11, 2005 - 11:16 PM
          <shoots heroin and downs eel>
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            Fri, March 11, 2005 - 11:21 PM
            Me, I like a fistful 'o dung beetles with a ketamine chaser...
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              Sat, March 12, 2005 - 8:47 AM
              :)

              Oh hey, so, I was in Chinatown Christmas night, and finally had squab (young pigeon). It was pretty good, but there's not a lot to it ... tasted pleasantly like duck.

              Recently I was at LuLu on Folsom St. and had quail. They really know how to do it right there. Usually quail is fried up and more bone than meat. They served up 3 quail halves that were hot and juicy.

              Re: cod 'sperm': It is good stuff. Calling it 'roe' keeps people from freaking out over the sperm angle.

              I do not like sea urchin roe. In fact, the first time I had it, my dinner companion waited until I had just bitten into it to tell me it always tasted like people sperm, to him.

              Not that it did. :) It merely tasted dag nasty.

              I avoid crabs because they're slimy and hard to eat ... snails are a little too chewy. I have a friend who won't eat octopus because they're too smart for his comfort. I tend to agree ... plus it's tough. Not abalone tough, but ...

              At this point I'll pretty much try anything but mammal brains. Well, that and natto.
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                Sat, March 12, 2005 - 12:37 PM
                Oh man, no natto?! I freakin' LOVE natto!

                I've had similar experiences with uni in the past... always sort of tasted like the mud flats at Point Pinole during low tide, but I know quality and freshness are said to make a huge difference, and lots of people do indeed love it. I'm definitely interested in trying it again. (might even do so tonight...)

                If octopus is done poorly it's tough, if it's done right it can be quite tender with a subtle sweetness and this hint of the essence of the sea. I don't order it all the time, but there are a few sushi places I trust to do it right.

                Brains and tongue don't appeal to me, either. I just had some beef tongue the other day. (probably had it in the past, but I don't clearly recall) I don't really like beef all that much to begin with, but I also didn't care too much for the texture.

                I guess slimy is more appealing to me, texture-wise.
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                  Sun, March 13, 2005 - 12:58 AM
                  Now, I think tongue totally rocks. I used to love getting the lengua lunch plate at ... I think it was Los Metates or the other taqueria near it in South City. IIRC Pancho Villa also has some tasty lengua burritos.

                  Done right (that is, stewed all day), beef tongue is tender ... it's never stringy and doesn't have gristle or knots of fat like other cuts.

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